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	<title>Comments on: BAE&#8217;s corruption allegations &#8211; make them face up to it this time</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/baes-corruption-allegations-make-them-face-up-to-it-this-time#comment-6601</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

Yes, I wonder how much the British government was either involved in or knew about any untoward behavior which was going on at the time that the Saudi contract was made, or at the time in which any of the other contracts to which the allegations relate were being made. Could there perhaps be something that the British government itself is hiding?

As you say, it is very difficult to know where the line is in situations like this. Certainly, it would be unfair to expect BAE to just sit back and miss out on multi-billion dollar contracts because it decided to take a stand based on integrity. But I am still very uncomfortable with any allegations of bribery not being properly investigated, and in spite of the difficulty facing BAE, I do not feel that the answer is for politicians to intervene in order for the company to avoid proper scrutiny.

Naturally, it must be borne in mind that BAE may not indeed turn out to have knowingly paid bribes (innocent until proven guilty). But I still think that this is something which should be decided through proper legal proceedings, not through political intervention to avoid scrutiny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Yes, I wonder how much the British government was either involved in or knew about any untoward behavior which was going on at the time that the Saudi contract was made, or at the time in which any of the other contracts to which the allegations relate were being made. Could there perhaps be something that the British government itself is hiding?</p>
<p>As you say, it is very difficult to know where the line is in situations like this. Certainly, it would be unfair to expect BAE to just sit back and miss out on multi-billion dollar contracts because it decided to take a stand based on integrity. But I am still very uncomfortable with any allegations of bribery not being properly investigated, and in spite of the difficulty facing BAE, I do not feel that the answer is for politicians to intervene in order for the company to avoid proper scrutiny.</p>
<p>Naturally, it must be borne in mind that BAE may not indeed turn out to have knowingly paid bribes (innocent until proven guilty). But I still think that this is something which should be decided through proper legal proceedings, not through political intervention to avoid scrutiny</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Schlegel</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/baes-corruption-allegations-make-them-face-up-to-it-this-time#comment-6597</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Schlegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise hard questions here Andrew. While I agree completely that standing as an example is the right thing to do, removing yourself entirely from the world due to an idealistic standpoint may make the example you&#039;re setting moot. Knowing where the line is, when the bad is overwhelming the good is very difficult. In situations like BAE where the business and politics of a situation are so intertwined you have to wonder if the government wasn&#039;t winking as the deal was being put through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise hard questions here Andrew. While I agree completely that standing as an example is the right thing to do, removing yourself entirely from the world due to an idealistic standpoint may make the example you&#8217;re setting moot. Knowing where the line is, when the bad is overwhelming the good is very difficult. In situations like BAE where the business and politics of a situation are so intertwined you have to wonder if the government wasn&#8217;t winking as the deal was being put through.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I can certainly appreciate the dilemmas facing western companies during the process of vying for business in countries where contracts are difficult to obtain in absence of the payment of bribes.

That said, I feel that the western world should strive to be a shinning example with regard to best practice in all areas of business, including that of ethical dealings with foreign governments. If western companies are not held responsible for their actions, that will serve only to entrench poor practices throughout much of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I can certainly appreciate the dilemmas facing western companies during the process of vying for business in countries where contracts are difficult to obtain in absence of the payment of bribes.</p>
<p>That said, I feel that the western world should strive to be a shinning example with regard to best practice in all areas of business, including that of ethical dealings with foreign governments. If western companies are not held responsible for their actions, that will serve only to entrench poor practices throughout much of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Shorr</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/baes-corruption-allegations-make-them-face-up-to-it-this-time#comment-6577</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Shorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, It is very galling that our countries have to do business with regimes such as Saudi Arabia in the first place; the complexities of the political situation in that part of the world seem to make it impossible to conduct business with clean hands; we are forced to make ethical compromises at every turn. As much as I loathe cover ups and double dealing, in cases like this I have some sympathy for corporations and even our government - with so much at stake, it&#039;s a very difficult balancing act. On the other hand, if corporations and governments are using this political environment as a mere excuse for blatant greed, then I guess we have to rely on a free press to bring perpetrators to justice. Governments can be shamed or pressured into action by a public that cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, It is very galling that our countries have to do business with regimes such as Saudi Arabia in the first place; the complexities of the political situation in that part of the world seem to make it impossible to conduct business with clean hands; we are forced to make ethical compromises at every turn. As much as I loathe cover ups and double dealing, in cases like this I have some sympathy for corporations and even our government &#8211; with so much at stake, it&#8217;s a very difficult balancing act. On the other hand, if corporations and governments are using this political environment as a mere excuse for blatant greed, then I guess we have to rely on a free press to bring perpetrators to justice. Governments can be shamed or pressured into action by a public that cares.</p>
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