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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5149</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna,

Thank you for your clear thinking in terms of drawing a distinction between illegal behavior on the part of business entities on ethical grounds as opposed to that on the part of individuals.

I do agree that the distinction to which you refer is an important one in the context of this discussion, particularly as the question raised in this discussion relates primarily to the question of the conduct of business entities (as do the vast majority of discussions on this blog).  

With respect to the conduct of business entities, I can certainly see your point in terms of the &#039;murky territory&#039; as you put it that we enter when business entities feel that it is OK not to observe certain requirements of the law simply on the basis of inconsistencies between the law and their world view. And of course, business entities who are not comfortable with certain legal aspects in certain countries can indeed refuse to operate in such countries.

Nevertheless, I am inclined to (respectfully) disagree with your viewpoint in relation to this matter. I would think that there would be some circumstances (albeit an extremely limited range of circumstances) where business entities would be right, from an ethical viewpoint, in  disregarding certain legal requirements, especially in cases like the second example that I mentioned, whereby there exists a very real prospect that compliance with requirements to provide sensitive information about individuals to government agencies may potentially place the physical safety of the individuals concerned in jeopardy.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andrews last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Should business sometimes break the law?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,</p>
<p>Thank you for your clear thinking in terms of drawing a distinction between illegal behavior on the part of business entities on ethical grounds as opposed to that on the part of individuals.</p>
<p>I do agree that the distinction to which you refer is an important one in the context of this discussion, particularly as the question raised in this discussion relates primarily to the question of the conduct of business entities (as do the vast majority of discussions on this blog).  </p>
<p>With respect to the conduct of business entities, I can certainly see your point in terms of the &#8216;murky territory&#8217; as you put it that we enter when business entities feel that it is OK not to observe certain requirements of the law simply on the basis of inconsistencies between the law and their world view. And of course, business entities who are not comfortable with certain legal aspects in certain countries can indeed refuse to operate in such countries.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am inclined to (respectfully) disagree with your viewpoint in relation to this matter. I would think that there would be some circumstances (albeit an extremely limited range of circumstances) where business entities would be right, from an ethical viewpoint, in  disregarding certain legal requirements, especially in cases like the second example that I mentioned, whereby there exists a very real prospect that compliance with requirements to provide sensitive information about individuals to government agencies may potentially place the physical safety of the individuals concerned in jeopardy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5148</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is whether businesses (corporations, sole proprietorships, partnerships, LLCs, etc.) should sometimes break laws in other countries.  In my opinion, this is singularly distinct from whether individuals have moral obligations to break certain foreign laws they believe are unethical.  I would say the journalists in North Korea fall under the latter category so my answer excludes them.

I believe that businesses as defined above should respect the laws of the countries in which they operate, even if they are considered unethical by the operating company.  A law is a law.  For example, a business may not agree with China&#039;s laws, but if it is operating within their country, it must follow them.  

The danger lies in what is ethical and what is not.  Let&#039;s say a Saudi business comes to the US and decides that one of our laws is unethical and decides to disregard it.  Is this okay?  Perhaps in Saudi Arabia, everyone would agree that Law A is unethical, but everyone in the US would say it IS ethical. I think this is murky territory and opens a can of worms where businesses can decide which laws are okay and which are not.

If a business cannot operate legally in a country, for whatever reason, then it should either not enter the country in the first place or remove operations altogether.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://critternews.blogspot.com/2009/06/slow-news-day-at-alf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slow News Day at ALF?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is whether businesses (corporations, sole proprietorships, partnerships, LLCs, etc.) should sometimes break laws in other countries.  In my opinion, this is singularly distinct from whether individuals have moral obligations to break certain foreign laws they believe are unethical.  I would say the journalists in North Korea fall under the latter category so my answer excludes them.</p>
<p>I believe that businesses as defined above should respect the laws of the countries in which they operate, even if they are considered unethical by the operating company.  A law is a law.  For example, a business may not agree with China&#8217;s laws, but if it is operating within their country, it must follow them.  </p>
<p>The danger lies in what is ethical and what is not.  Let&#8217;s say a Saudi business comes to the US and decides that one of our laws is unethical and decides to disregard it.  Is this okay?  Perhaps in Saudi Arabia, everyone would agree that Law A is unethical, but everyone in the US would say it IS ethical. I think this is murky territory and opens a can of worms where businesses can decide which laws are okay and which are not.</p>
<p>If a business cannot operate legally in a country, for whatever reason, then it should either not enter the country in the first place or remove operations altogether.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Anas last blog post..<a href="http://critternews.blogspot.com/2009/06/slow-news-day-at-alf.html" rel="nofollow">Slow News Day at ALF?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5145</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

You would receive few disagreements about your last point.

To be sure, I could certainly understand why any country would consider any form of breach of their entry related laws on the part of foreigners to be a serious issue. But even assuming that the two actually did enter the country (which they would have been ethically justified in doing if that&#039;s what they had to do to properly cover the story), twelve years of hard labor is simply a ridiculous punishment.


Fred,

Agree with you there, journalists who operate in countries like Zimbabwe, North Korea and Myanmar deserve a medal.


Brad,

Very good point, and although there are some cases whereby moral law will not be clear, there are also cases where moral law is clear cut, and in regimes where civil law blatantly violates any form of decency, we do have an obligation to follow moral law as opposed to civil law.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andrews last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Should business sometimes break the law?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>You would receive few disagreements about your last point.</p>
<p>To be sure, I could certainly understand why any country would consider any form of breach of their entry related laws on the part of foreigners to be a serious issue. But even assuming that the two actually did enter the country (which they would have been ethically justified in doing if that&#8217;s what they had to do to properly cover the story), twelve years of hard labor is simply a ridiculous punishment.</p>
<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Agree with you there, journalists who operate in countries like Zimbabwe, North Korea and Myanmar deserve a medal.</p>
<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Very good point, and although there are some cases whereby moral law will not be clear, there are also cases where moral law is clear cut, and in regimes where civil law blatantly violates any form of decency, we do have an obligation to follow moral law as opposed to civil law.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Andrews last blog post..<a href="http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law" rel="nofollow">Should business sometimes break the law?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Shorr</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5140</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Shorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew, I think we have to make a distinction between moral law and civil law to make sense of these issues. When a country (e.g., North Korea) clearly violates moral law, we have an obligation to resist. That&#039;s why I see the actions of Laura Ling and Euna Lee as being truly heroic. Yes, there will be disagreement as to what constitutes moral law, which is why there will probably never be totally clear cut answers.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brad Shorrs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WordSellInc/~3/OdMBfThwmvg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Branding Power of Search Engine Optimization&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew, I think we have to make a distinction between moral law and civil law to make sense of these issues. When a country (e.g., North Korea) clearly violates moral law, we have an obligation to resist. That&#8217;s why I see the actions of Laura Ling and Euna Lee as being truly heroic. Yes, there will be disagreement as to what constitutes moral law, which is why there will probably never be totally clear cut answers.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Brad Shorrs last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WordSellInc/~3/OdMBfThwmvg/" rel="nofollow">The Branding Power of Search Engine Optimization</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Fred H Schlegel</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5135</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred H Schlegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thought out arguments Andrew. While it would always be preferable for organizations to act within the law, some regimes make that near impossible. (Maybe so they can always hold enforcement over the head of going concerns?) Journalists operate within especially difficult circumstances since by exposing truths they often enrage the organizations and individuals who they are up against. Then, even if acting within the law, rules are found to be broken in order to try and silence or humiliate the speaker.  Very difficult circumstances to work under.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred H Schlegels last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/frogblog/yTub/~3/OVZSQ9PjVXc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buffalo Bill, Eiffel, Otis and The Keys To Success&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thought out arguments Andrew. While it would always be preferable for organizations to act within the law, some regimes make that near impossible. (Maybe so they can always hold enforcement over the head of going concerns?) Journalists operate within especially difficult circumstances since by exposing truths they often enrage the organizations and individuals who they are up against. Then, even if acting within the law, rules are found to be broken in order to try and silence or humiliate the speaker.  Very difficult circumstances to work under.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Fred H Schlegels last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/frogblog/yTub/~3/OVZSQ9PjVXc/" rel="nofollow">Buffalo Bill, Eiffel, Otis and The Keys To Success</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Karen Swim</title>
		<link>http://www.goodhonestdollar.com/should-business-sometimes-break-the-law#comment-5130</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Swim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew, your points are excellent. I have followed the case of Laura Ling and Euna Lee very closely and have signed petitions and added my voice to their support. While the facts of this case are not yet clear, I agree there are instances when breaking the law is needed. However, in willingly doing so you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences. In the US civil rights activists willingly and defiantly went up against the law to bring about needed change in this country. They knew the risk and were willing to take it for the greater good. In the case of these journalists, I do not believe the punishment fits &quot;the crime&quot; and believe they deserve to be let go.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Karen Swims last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WordsForHire/~3/6ogZbe9e51U/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Time For Fishing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew, your points are excellent. I have followed the case of Laura Ling and Euna Lee very closely and have signed petitions and added my voice to their support. While the facts of this case are not yet clear, I agree there are instances when breaking the law is needed. However, in willingly doing so you must also be prepared to suffer the consequences. In the US civil rights activists willingly and defiantly went up against the law to bring about needed change in this country. They knew the risk and were willing to take it for the greater good. In the case of these journalists, I do not believe the punishment fits &#8220;the crime&#8221; and believe they deserve to be let go.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Karen Swims last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WordsForHire/~3/6ogZbe9e51U/" rel="nofollow">No Time For Fishing</a></em></abbr></p>
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